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Mozart the Fraud
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Matt Faunce
2022-03-25 21:21:07 UTC
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There’s, lately, been a lot of research reassessing the achievements of
Mozart and Haydn, finding a lot of solid evidence that both of these
historical figures are brands built on fraud, theft, and dishonest
marketing.

Here’s an interview of the researchers, and authors of the book, “Mozart.
The Fall of the Gods.” https://www.mozartthefallofthegods.com/

The researcher who piqued their interest is Giorgio Taboga. So, it’s worth
looking for his writings, too.

Here are some excerpts from the interview.

“Mozart was not a genius even as a teenager. In Bologna he risked not
passing the exam to become a Philharmonic Academician. If he had delivered
the exam assignment as he composed it, they would have rejected it. Father
Martini intervened and helped him by passing him the right solution. When
the examination board voted on his admission, not all votes were in favour,
as Leopold claimed. His exam paper was judged only sufficient due to the
circumstances.”

“As a child, Mozart suffered from the delusions of a cheating father, who
stole his childhood by denying him adequate education. As a young man, the
archbishop preferred other composers over him, and the courts held him in
low esteem, relegating him to a marginal position even in Vienna. In death,
his greedy wife forged the manuscripts to make the most of them. Miserably
compensated when he was alive, and forgotten at the time of his death, he
was transformed by businessmen into a brand.”

“According to our findings, we think Mozart wrote about 10% of what is
attributed to him.”

“HG: What composers are the ones the Mozarts used the most to present as
music by ‘by WA Mozart’?

“LB&AT: Many: Gasparini, Jommelli, Traetta, Paisiello, Myslivecek etc.”

“Mozart is big business. Proving with primary sources, as we do, that
Mozart is not a genius but a normal man, and a composer that was not even
especially gifted, certainly annoys many people.”
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Matt
Matt Faunce
2022-03-25 21:47:20 UTC
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Post by Matt Faunce
There’s, lately, been a lot of research reassessing the achievements of
Mozart and Haydn, finding a lot of solid evidence that both of these
historical figures are brands built on fraud, theft, and dishonest
marketing.
Here’s an interview of the researchers, and authors of the book, “Mozart.
The Fall of the Gods.” https://www.mozartthefallofthegods.com/
The researcher who piqued their interest is Giorgio Taboga. So, it’s worth
looking for his writings, too.
Here are some excerpts from the interview.
“Mozart was not a genius even as a teenager. In Bologna he risked not
passing the exam to become a Philharmonic Academician. If he had delivered
the exam assignment as he composed it, they would have rejected it. Father
Martini intervened and helped him by passing him the right solution. When
the examination board voted on his admission, not all votes were in favour,
as Leopold claimed. His exam paper was judged only sufficient due to the
circumstances.”
“As a child, Mozart suffered from the delusions of a cheating father, who
stole his childhood by denying him adequate education. As a young man, the
archbishop preferred other composers over him, and the courts held him in
low esteem, relegating him to a marginal position even in Vienna. In death,
his greedy wife forged the manuscripts to make the most of them. Miserably
compensated when he was alive, and forgotten at the time of his death, he
was transformed by businessmen into a brand.”
“According to our findings, we think Mozart wrote about 10% of what is
attributed to him.”
“HG: What composers are the ones the Mozarts used the most to present as
music by ‘by WA Mozart’?
“LB&AT: Many: Gasparini, Jommelli, Traetta, Paisiello, Myslivecek etc.”
“Mozart is big business. Proving with primary sources, as we do, that
Mozart is not a genius but a normal man, and a composer that was not even
especially gifted, certainly annoys many people.”
Here’s more info, by another early researcher, Robert Newman.
https://www.talkclassical.com/865-controversy-over-true-musical.html
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Matt
Matt Faunce
2022-03-25 22:16:01 UTC
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Post by Matt Faunce
There’s, lately, been a lot of research reassessing the achievements of
Mozart and Haydn, finding a lot of solid evidence that both of these
historical figures are brands built on fraud, theft, and dishonest
marketing.
Here’s an interview of the researchers, and authors of the book, “Mozart.
The Fall of the Gods.” https://www.mozartthefallofthegods.com/
The researcher who piqued their interest is Giorgio Taboga. So, it’s worth
looking for his writings, too.
Here are some excerpts from the interview.
“Mozart was not a genius even as a teenager. In Bologna he risked not
passing the exam to become a Philharmonic Academician. If he had delivered
the exam assignment as he composed it, they would have rejected it. Father
Martini intervened and helped him by passing him the right solution. When
the examination board voted on his admission, not all votes were in favour,
as Leopold claimed. His exam paper was judged only sufficient due to the
circumstances.”
“As a child, Mozart suffered from the delusions of a cheating father, who
stole his childhood by denying him adequate education. As a young man, the
archbishop preferred other composers over him, and the courts held him in
low esteem, relegating him to a marginal position even in Vienna. In death,
his greedy wife forged the manuscripts to make the most of them. Miserably
compensated when he was alive, and forgotten at the time of his death, he
was transformed by businessmen into a brand.”
“According to our findings, we think Mozart wrote about 10% of what is
attributed to him.”
“HG: What composers are the ones the Mozarts used the most to present as
music by ‘by WA Mozart’?
“LB&AT: Many: Gasparini, Jommelli, Traetta, Paisiello, Myslivecek etc.”
“Mozart is big business. Proving with primary sources, as we do, that
Mozart is not a genius but a normal man, and a composer that was not even
especially gifted, certainly annoys many people.”
Here’s more info, by another early researcher, Robert Newman.
https://www.talkclassical.com/865-controversy-over-true-musical.html
A case of damnatio personae. Andrea Luchesi, and his role in the birth of
Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven myths, by Giorgio Taboga.
http://www.cartesio-episteme.net/episteme/epi4/ep4tabog.htm


Here’s a sign — a picture of Haydn with one eye shut — from a box-set
recording of “Haydn” symphonies.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/release/haydn-complete-name-symphonies-mr0002676415
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Matt
John Nguyen
2022-03-26 04:55:37 UTC
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Post by Matt Faunce
There’s, lately, been a lot of research reassessing the achievements of
Mozart and Haydn, finding a lot of solid evidence that both of these
historical figures are brands built on fraud, theft, and dishonest
marketing.
Here’s an interview of the researchers, and authors of the book, “Mozart.
The Fall of the Gods.” https://www.mozartthefallofthegods.com/
The researcher who piqued their interest is Giorgio Taboga. So, it’s worth
looking for his writings, too.
Here are some excerpts from the interview.
“Mozart was not a genius even as a teenager. In Bologna he risked not
passing the exam to become a Philharmonic Academician. If he had delivered
the exam assignment as he composed it, they would have rejected it. Father
Martini intervened and helped him by passing him the right solution. When
the examination board voted on his admission, not all votes were in favour,
as Leopold claimed. His exam paper was judged only sufficient due to the
circumstances.”
“As a child, Mozart suffered from the delusions of a cheating father, who
stole his childhood by denying him adequate education. As a young man, the
archbishop preferred other composers over him, and the courts held him in
low esteem, relegating him to a marginal position even in Vienna. In death,
his greedy wife forged the manuscripts to make the most of them. Miserably
compensated when he was alive, and forgotten at the time of his death, he
was transformed by businessmen into a brand.”
“According to our findings, we think Mozart wrote about 10% of what is
attributed to him.”
“HG: What composers are the ones the Mozarts used the most to present as
music by ‘by WA Mozart’?
“LB&AT: Many: Gasparini, Jommelli, Traetta, Paisiello, Myslivecek etc.”
“Mozart is big business. Proving with primary sources, as we do, that
Mozart is not a genius but a normal man, and a composer that was not even
especially gifted, certainly annoys many people.”
Here’s more info, by another early researcher, Robert Newman.
https://www.talkclassical.com/865-controversy-over-true-musical.html
A case of damnatio personae. Andrea Luchesi, and his role in the birth of
Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven myths, by Giorgio Taboga.
http://www.cartesio-episteme.net/episteme/epi4/ep4tabog.htm
Here’s a sign — a picture of Haydn with one eye shut — from a box-set
recording of “Haydn” symphonies.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/release/haydn-complete-name-symphonies-mr0002676415
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Matt
WOW!! I have to read this book!
JMF
2022-03-26 14:00:08 UTC
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Post by John Nguyen
Post by Matt Faunce
Here’s a sign — a picture of Haydn with one eye shut — from a box-set
recording of “Haydn” symphonies.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/release/haydn-complete-name-symphonies-mr0002676415
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Matt
WOW!! I have to read this book!
Very interesting, but it's only fair to note that it isn't without
controversy. Here's an article:

https://www.glistatigenerali.com/musica-classica_storia-cultura/tutta-la-vera-storia-delle-strampalate-fake-news-contro-w-a-mozart/

... in which a concluding paragraph reads:

"In conclusion, it has been shown on the whole from several positions
that an editorial production aimed at the “demolition” of the so-called
Mozartian “myth” as in the two volumes entitled “Mozart. The fall of the
gods "is devoid of any scientific foundation, revealing frightening gaps
in numerous fields of knowledge and an expression of a sterile"
revisionism "that relies on the ingenuity of the general public, to
which is added even the obstinacy with which they are identified fans of
Mozart's music and in general of the great German musical tradition with
Nazism. As stated by prof. Tedeschi Turco on the blog of the Turin
Conservatory "the bizarre theses of Taboga and the two authors of
"Mozart The Fall of the Gods "have been screened and demolished every
time they have appeared in print or on the web: they are empty nonsense."

So not everybody agrees with their thesis.
Matt Faunce
2022-03-27 04:22:55 UTC
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Post by John Nguyen
Post by Matt Faunce
Here’s a sign — a picture of Haydn with one eye shut — from a box-set
recording of “Haydn” symphonies.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/release/haydn-complete-name-symphonies-mr0002676415
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Matt
WOW!! I have to read this book!
Very interesting, but it's only fair to note that it isn't without
https://www.glistatigenerali.com/musica-classica_storia-cultura/tutta-la-vera-storia-delle-strampalate-fake-news-contro-w-a-mozart/
"In conclusion, it has been shown on the whole from several positions
that an editorial production aimed at the “demolition” of the so-called
Mozartian “myth” as in the two volumes entitled “Mozart. The fall of the
gods "is devoid of any scientific foundation, revealing frightening gaps
in numerous fields of knowledge and an expression of a sterile"
revisionism "that relies on the ingenuity of the general public, to
which is added even the obstinacy with which they are identified fans of
Mozart's music and in general of the great German musical tradition with
Nazism. As stated by prof. Tedeschi Turco on the blog of the Turin
Conservatory "the bizarre theses of Taboga and the two authors of
"Mozart The Fall of the Gods "have been screened and demolished every
time they have appeared in print or on the web: they are empty nonsense."
So not everybody agrees with their thesis.
Of course, the response in the link was expected.

I might have to dig deeper into this issue.
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Matt
JMF
2022-03-27 08:47:34 UTC
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So not everybody agrees with their thesis.
Of course, the response in the link was expected.
I might have to dig deeper into this issue.
Let us know what you find out!
Aspiring to Heaven
2022-04-26 19:39:38 UTC
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Post by Matt Faunce
There’s, lately, been a lot of research reassessing the achievements of
Mozart and Haydn, finding a lot of solid evidence that both of these
historical figures are brands built on fraud, theft, and dishonest
marketing.
Here’s an interview of the researchers, and authors of the book, “Mozart.
The Fall of the Gods.” https://www.mozartthefallofthegods.com/
The researcher who piqued their interest is Giorgio Taboga. So, it’s worth
looking for his writings, too.
Shame on you for promoting this garbage.
Matt Faunce
2024-11-18 06:24:25 UTC
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Post by Matt Faunce
There’s, lately, been a lot of research reassessing the achievements of
Mozart and Haydn, finding a lot of solid evidence that both of these
historical figures are brands built on fraud, theft, and dishonest
marketing.
Here’s an interview of the researchers, and authors of the book, “Mozart.
The Fall of the Gods.” https://www.mozartthefallofthegods.com/
The researcher who piqued their interest is Giorgio Taboga. So, it’s worth
looking for his writings, too.
Shame on you for promoting this garbage.
According to the musicologist and pianist, Alberto Cobo, the pianist,
Isidro Barrios, said that most of the works attributed to Scarlatti were
actually composed by Antonio Soler. Cobo said it in the comments section of
this video:

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Matt
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