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test/improve your sight reading
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sed
2005-05-03 14:15:16 UTC
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Dear classical guitarists from the world,

I made a little web page to improve my sight reading:
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret_ie.html)

I said to me it could be useful to some other guitarists, so I
share it with everyone.

I am open to suggestions on how to improve it.

Take care of yourself,
Sed.
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s***@gmail.com
2005-05-03 19:01:53 UTC
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Very cool. Nice job.
Larry Deack
2005-05-03 20:06:35 UTC
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"sed"
Post by sed
Dear classical guitarists from the world,
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret_ie.html)
Looks like a decent start. It's visually confusing at that angle and
doesn't seem to work above the 12th fret. I had to have the "helpers" on
because of the visual perspective but got off anyway.

I made some mousing mistakes. A keyboard alternative using arrow keys would
be nice.

How about timing the response and scoring so a students can measure their
progress?

How about a second chance an review? Sometimes I got it wrong but I thought
I hit the right one.

Get rid of the popup "the fretboard" over the graphic.

Thanks. I'll bookmark this and try it on some students. I've worked on
something similar. Have you looked into sound?
sed
2005-05-04 12:23:42 UTC
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First of all, thank you for the feedback.
Post by Larry Deack
Post by sed
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret_ie.html)
Looks like a decent start. It's visually confusing at that angle and
doesn't seem to work above the 12th fret. I had to have the "helpers" on
because of the visual perspective but got off anyway.
Yes, only the first 12 frets are active.
I don't know about the others, maybe I'll support them in the future.

For the guitar's picture, yes, it is an issue.
I first tried to draw a fretboard by hand but was not satisfied.
So, I said to me that a real guitar would be nice.
Then came the issue: what part of the guitar to show, and at
what angle/perspective?
I chose this one, thinking it was close to the position of
the guitar when you play it.
It might be a bad idea. Do you have something to propose?
Post by Larry Deack
I made some mousing mistakes. A keyboard alternative using arrow keys would
be nice.
It is not possible with Javascript and DOM2 (at least, to my knowledge).
So it is not planned. (A real program, ie. not a webpage, could
be made to support keyboard input. It is off-topic for me.)
Post by Larry Deack
How about timing the response and scoring so a students can measure their
progress?
Well, I don't know.

In one side I would say "why not", but in the other side,
shouldn't you know by yourself if you are good or bad?
If you can place the note without thinking, then you can
sight-read (at least one note at time), if not, then you
need some training. No?

For timing, there are problems too. Imagine some player who
has troubles with the mouse, she would get poor timing.
What meaning to attach to such measure?
Post by Larry Deack
How about a second chance an review? Sometimes I got it wrong but I thought
I hit the right one.
Yes, I added that. Good idea.
Post by Larry Deack
Get rid of the popup "the fretboard" over the graphic.
On my computer, this only appeared with Internet Explorer/Windows.
So, I modified the fret_ie.html, it should not appear anymore.
If you still get it, tell me (what browser you have, what operating
system).
Post by Larry Deack
Thanks. I'll bookmark this and try it on some students. I've worked on
something similar. Have you looked into sound?
What would be the purpose?

Once again, thanks for the feedback.

PS: I am thinking about chords, it would be nice to support that,
no? Well, just thoughts for the moment :) chords are a bit more tricky.
doremi
2005-05-05 00:14:43 UTC
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Post by sed
Dear classical guitarists from the world,
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret_ie.html)
I said to me it could be useful to some other guitarists, so I
share it with everyone.
I am open to suggestions on how to improve it.
Your web page is a great resource. Good job!

Now how about something for chords? I can think of a couple of ways to go
about it: One way your program would ask for a chord (for example C Major) and
the user must then click on the appropriate string/fret combinations (similar
to the way your sight reading page works). The other way you would ask for a
chord and present the user with a number of chord diagrams, some of these would
be correct and some wouldn't. The user must click on one of the chord diagrams
that you present.
John E. Golden
2005-05-05 00:23:20 UTC
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Post by sed
Dear classical guitarists from the world,
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret_ie.html)
I said to me it could be useful to some other guitarists, so I
share it with everyone.
I am open to suggestions on how to improve it.
Take care of yourself,
Sed,

I love it!

I've only been playing with it for five minutes and I feel my sight reading
is improving already.

Regards,
John E. Golden
jonny
2005-05-09 19:33:20 UTC
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I like it too. How about a training 'mode' like clicking on the staff
and it shows you which string/fret to play the note (would be really
helpful for when reading music to show you where the notes are supposed
to be played - I'm a total newb!)
sed
2005-05-10 07:42:56 UTC
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Post by jonny
I like it too. How about a training 'mode' like clicking on the staff
and it shows you which string/fret to play the note (would be really
helpful for when reading music to show you where the notes are supposed
to be played - I'm a total newb!)
The problem is that a note may exist on several strings. And
that's the problem I faced, and why I made this page.

May I suggest that you take a look at this site:
http://www.eythorsson.com/
Especially there:
http://www.eythorsson.com/guitar/methods.html
And get the file:
http://www.eythorsson.com/music/1018.pdf
which is an introduction to the guitar. I liked it, it helped
me to begin sight-read.
You can get the other files too. There is the Sor-Coste method,
the Aguado one, and some other material. Very good to begin with.

You have this site, with a fretboard too (flash webpage):
http://www.musictheory.net/
You can focus on the first 5 frets, or even less.
Give it a try.

Take care of yourself,
S.
jonny
2005-05-10 08:28:47 UTC
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thanks for the links - really helpful ...

Jonny
sed
2005-05-14 15:54:56 UTC
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Dear classical guitarists from the world,

I modified the page (link below), to add the possibility to choose the
frets you want to test.

And I made another version:
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret2.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret2_ie.html)
where you have to tell what note is displayed on the fretboard
(some kind of reverse exercise).

Take care of yourself,
Sed.
Post by sed
http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret.html
(for Internet Explorer users: http://sed.free.fr/sight/fret_ie.html)
I am open to suggestions on how to improve it.
arby
2005-05-15 12:27:20 UTC
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I have been using your page to learn the the fretboard, and like the
way you set it up. Is there any way you could make a download for it.
For someone like me stuck with dial-up it would be nice not to have to
tie up the phone to use it.
Regards, Arby
sed
2005-05-16 14:38:32 UTC
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Post by arby
I have been using your page to learn the the fretboard, and like the
way you set it up. Is there any way you could make a download for it.
For someone like me stuck with dial-up it would be nice not to have to
tie up the phone to use it.
Regards, Arby
Arby,

you can get it there (all exercises in one file):
http://sed.free.fr/sight/sight.zip

There is a new webpage at:
http://sed.free.fr/sight/
(nothing new, just a place to put the exercises together)

Take care of yourself,
S.

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