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Inexpensive Early Instruments For Students (Vihuela, Baroque Guitar, Classical Period Guitar, etc)
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Wood Yee
2004-04-08 21:51:33 UTC
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Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
David Schramm
2004-04-08 22:26:39 UTC
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Well, I was going to say you can find some cheap ones for around $1,500
which is very, very inexpensive.Under $1,000.....good luck.
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David Schramm
Clovis, CA
http://schrammguitars.com
http://onlineapprentice.com
Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
Wood Yee
2004-04-09 01:19:13 UTC
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Tell me about it. With the guitar, I get students all the time who are
playing instruments well under $1,000 and they're not bad considering
that they're student guitars. I often get students who are motivated
to learn an instrument such as the vihuela or lute but who shy away
after seeing the price of these copies and lose interest soon after.
Post by David Schramm
Well, I was going to say you can find some cheap ones for around $1,500
which is very, very inexpensive.Under $1,000.....good luck.
--
David Schramm
Clovis, CA
http://schrammguitars.com
http://onlineapprentice.com
Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
John Rimmer
2004-04-09 02:56:22 UTC
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If they actually had to string one up and tune it, then they might also give
it a second thought! You *really* have to respect those who became great
on instruments before they had electronic tuners, tuning machines, reliable
and convenient sources of strings, sheet music, etc...

Nylon Cheers!

John
Post by Wood Yee
Tell me about it. With the guitar, I get students all the time who are
playing instruments well under $1,000 and they're not bad considering
that they're student guitars. I often get students who are motivated
to learn an instrument such as the vihuela or lute but who shy away
after seeing the price of these copies and lose interest soon after.
Post by David Schramm
Well, I was going to say you can find some cheap ones for around $1,500
which is very, very inexpensive.Under $1,000.....good luck.
--
David Schramm
Clovis, CA
http://schrammguitars.com
http://onlineapprentice.com
Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
Roman Turovsky
2004-04-09 04:03:28 UTC
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Lutes and vihuelas are not factory made, they are invariably custom
instruments, and finding a good one for under $2000 are slim for a
Renaissance axe, and $3500 for one that would be suitable for Bach and
Weiss. Most used ones do not depreciate much either, so lutes and vihuelas
are only for people who are sufficiently determined to play them.
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Date: 8 Apr 2004 18:19:13 -0700
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Early Instruments For Students (Vihuela, Baroque
Guitar, Classical Period Guitar, etc)
Tell me about it. With the guitar, I get students all the time who are
playing instruments well under $1,000 and they're not bad considering
that they're student guitars. I often get students who are motivated
to learn an instrument such as the vihuela or lute but who shy away
after seeing the price of these copies and lose interest soon after.
Post by David Schramm
Well, I was going to say you can find some cheap ones for around $1,500
which is very, very inexpensive.Under $1,000.....good luck.
--
David Schramm
Clovis, CA
http://schrammguitars.com
http://onlineapprentice.com
Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
David Kilpatrick
2004-04-09 11:37:50 UTC
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Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
For lute - www.hobgoblin.co.uk have a student model at very low cost,
made in Pakistan using rosewood and cedar. I can obtain well made
Turkish ouds, which can be converted to a usable six-course lute with
tied frets, for around $200-$400 equivalent (£95 to £195) in Edinburgh
and I am sure these are sold worldwide. I believe that in Turkey the
cost is well under $100.

A friend who plays oud tried these are reckoned the plainest looking £95
example was actually a much better instrument than the heavily
ornamented, fancy wood £195 models.

For vihuelas and pseudo-baroque guitars try Veracruz, Mexico, where a
number of luthier families had made an older style of instrument for
many years - not identical to the Paracho style vihuelas, and doing
passable service as a baroque guitar is asked. Lee Santana, a member of
Los Otros, a baroque/ren group working in Scotland, showed me a very
nice example which he played alongside his baroque guitar copy for some
more vigorous material. It was plain, no bindings, cypress and cedar
with a fully carved body (not a bowl shape either - a regular guitar
body profile but carved in one piece with the neck!) and looked very
modern but in all other respects was a good all-round substitute for
renaissance and baroque guitar or vihuela.

David
Roman Turovsky
2004-04-09 13:22:53 UTC
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Post by David Kilpatrick
Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
For lute - www.hobgoblin.co.uk have a student model at very low cost,
made in Pakistan using rosewood and cedar.
Definitely NOT recommended. These are heavily built, with a multitude of
structural problems, and would normally require time and money to make them
playable.
RT

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Roman M. Turovsky
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http://polyhymnion.org
Greg M. Silverman
2004-04-09 15:05:35 UTC
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Post by Roman Turovsky
Post by David Kilpatrick
Post by Wood Yee
Hi! Can anyone recommend where I can purchase cheap/inexpensive but
decent/playable early music instruments for students? I've had
students show interest in the vihuela or lute or baroque guitar but
were discouraged by the price of these copies. I'm looking for a
source that has "student" lutes, vihuelas, baroque guitars, etc.,. My
goal is an inexpensive instrument that a student can purchase and see
if he or she will pursue this rather than having them buy a $1000
instrument and realize that it's not for them. Thanks in advance!
For lute - www.hobgoblin.co.uk have a student model at very low cost,
made in Pakistan using rosewood and cedar.
Definitely NOT recommended. These are heavily built, with a multitude of
structural problems, and would normally require time and money to make them
playable.
I have a Paki made harp... biggest hunk of crap ever made, even though
it too is made of rosewood (inferior quality, mind you).
(Best thing I did was to spend a few hundred more and get a quality
Paraguayan instrument...)

gms--


P.S. Regarding cheap lutes, viheulas and whatnots, the absolute CHEAPEST
I know of is from the maker of my lute (who lives in Brazil and thus has
a phenomenally low exchange rate and does make good very well-built
instruments). The following is from his 2003 catalogue (my guess is that
prices have gone up):

- Medieval Lute after A. Zwolle – 5 or 6 course
Back with 9 ribs, neck and pegbox in cedar, top in German spruce, pegs
in Brazilian boxwood. 58 cm. string length .
.............................................................................
............................ US$ 900,00

- Renascence lute after G. Hieber – 7 or 8 course
Back with 9 ribs, neck and pegbox in cedar, top in German spruce, pegs
in Brazilian boxwood. 60 cm. string length .
..........................................................................................................
US$ 950,00

- Renascence lute after H. Frey – 7, 8 or 10 course
Back with 11 ribs, neck and pegbox in cedar, top in German spruce, pegs
in Brazilian boxwood. 62,5 cm. string length .
7 or 8 course .................................
.............................................. US$ 1000,00
10 course
......................................................................................
US$ 1100,00

- Renascence lute after M. Harton – 7, 8 or 10 course
Back with 11 ribs with spacers, neck and pegbox in cedar, top in German
spruce, pegs in Brazilian boxwood. Ivory heart on top
7 or 8 course – 63 cm. string length
......................................... US$ 1100,00
10 course – 65 cm. string length
............................................... US$ 1200,00

- Renascence lute after M. Dieffopruchar – 7 or 8 course
Multi-ribbed (27 ribs) back of Brazilian rosewood, stripped neck and
pegbox, German spruce top and rosewood pegs. Ivory heart on top. 62 cm.
string length.
........................................................... US$ 2000,00



Descant lute after W. Venere – 6 or 7 course
Back with 9 ribs, neck and pegbox in cedar, top in German spruce, pegs
in Brazilian boxwood. 44 cm. string length.
..........................................................................................................
US$ 600,00

- 11 course baroque lute after J. Tielke
Back with 9 ribs, neck, pegbox and chanterelle rider in cedar, top in
German spruce, fingerboard edged with bone, bottom of pegbox with carved
floral ornaments, pegs in Brazilian boxwood. 69 cm. string length.
.........................................................................................
US$ 1500.00

- 11 course baroque lute after H. Frey
Back with 11 ribs, neck, pegbox and chanterelle rider in cedar, top in
German spruce, fingerboard edged with bone, pegs in Brazilian boxwood.
67 cm. string length. ................................................
US$ 1200,00

- 13 course baroque lute after H. Burkholtzer
Back with 13 ribs, neck, pegbox and chanterelle rider in cedar, top in
German spruce, stripped fingerboard, pegs in Brazilian boxwood. Ivory
heart on top. 68/73 cm. string length. ........ US$ 1600,00

- 13 course baroque lute after M. Dieffopruchar
Back with 11 ribs, neck, pegbox, bass and chanterelle riders in cedar,
top in german spruce, triple rose, stripped fingerboard, pegs in
rosewood. 75/83 cm. string legnth
......................................... US$ 2000,00

- Théorbe pour les Pièces – my own design
Back with 11 ribs, neck and pegboxes in cedar, Geman spruce top with
single or triple rose, stripped fingerboard, Brazilian boxwood pegs.
70/110 cm. string length (8+6). ......................................
US$ 1700,00

- 14 course theorbo, my own design
Back with 11 ribs, neck and pegboxes in cedar, Geman spruce top with
single or triple rose, stripped fingerboard, Brazilian boxwood pegs.
76/125 cm. string length (8+6 or 7+7). .......................... US$
2000,00

- 14 course archlute after M. Sellas
Back with 11 ribs, neck and pegboxes in cedar, Geman spruce top with
triple rose, stripped fingerboard, Brazilian boxwood pegs. Ivory heart
on top. 63/133 cm. string length. (7+7 or 6+8). ........... US$ 1800,00

- 14 course Liuto Attiorbato after M. Sellas
Stripped back with 13 ribs, neck and pegboxes in cedar, Geman spruce
top, fingerboard edged with bone, Brazilian rosewood pegs, Ivory hearts
on top and upper neck. 64/93 cm. (7+7)
......................................................................................................
US$ 2000,00

- 6 course Vihuela, my own design
Flat back with five ribs of cypress and rosewood, sides in three pieces
of cypress with black spacers, top in German spruce, rose in wood and
parchment, 26 pieces of intarsia on top and peghead, fingerboard edged
with bone and Brazilian boxwood pegs. Bone pegs also available.
58 cm. (in a’) or 62 cm (in g’)
.................................................... US$ 1300,00
65 cm. (in e’)
................................................................................
US$ 1400,00

- 5 course baroque guitar, after an anonymous instrument in the Victoria
& Albert Museum
Vaulted back of 19 ribs of Cypress or Brazilian rosewood with black or
white spacers, sides in three pieces with spacers, fingerboard and
peghead veneer with floral marquetry work and bone edges, four steps
parchment rose, and Brazilian boxwood pegs. Bone pegs also available.
65,5 cm. string length ...............................................
US$ 1800,00
Same model without marquetry and with simplified rose .. US$ 1300,00
- 5 course baroque guitar after italian models, my own design
Three pieces back, neck and peghead in cedar, German spruce top, three
steps parchment rose, stripped fingerboard and Brazilian rosewood pegs.
66 cm. string length. ...................................... US$ 1200,00
- 4 course renascence guitar after the picture in the “Premier livre de
chansons” by Guillaume Morlaye, my own design.
Flat back with five ribs of Brazilian rosewood with white spacers,
sides in three pieces with white spacers, German spruce top with
parchment rose, stripped fingerboard and Brazilian rosewood pegs. Bone
pegs also available. 58 cm. string length. ...................... US$
1000,00
Same instrument, vaulted back
................................................ US$ 1200,00

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