Alcibiades

2007-10-14 02:15:27 UTC

What's the single best exercise for the rh, the one with the widest

possible benefits? VL #1?

possible benefits? VL #1?

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Alcibiades

2007-10-14 02:15:27 UTC

What's the single best exercise for the rh, the one with the widest

possible benefits? VL #1?

possible benefits? VL #1?

Larry Deack

2007-10-14 02:31:03 UTC

What's the single best exercise

for the rh, the one with the widest

possible benefits?

years, that's for sure.

Alain Reiher

2007-10-14 03:12:05 UTC

What's the single best exercise

for the rh, the one with the widest

possible benefits?

and Wollybird beat me to the punch for this one!)

Now if you are speaking about a study ... it difficult to pin point one an

only study that would cover the entire spectrum of RH techniques. I have

found that Sor study # 2 (Segovia) is excellent for placement and balance of

RH.

M. Giluiani Opus 83 #1-excellent too for both hands and moreover, a good

exercise for memorization. if you want to go the virtuoso way ... Tarrega's

Estudio Brillante is excellent ... Sagreras El colibri too, Pujol el abejo

(P imi)...

Aguado has some excellent ones too ... # 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 from

his 25 pieces pour Guitare extraites de la methode pour guitare.

And

Napoleon Coste # 23.

Bach Prelude BWV 999 (Not a study but ...)

Brower # 6.

Left hand endurance + Slow arppegios ...

Llobet Romanza (1896)

Rodrigo Riera Preludio Criollo

Sor Opus 29 # 13 and # 17 (Segovia)

Barrios preludio en La mineur (beautiful piece).

Alain

There is more ...

Alcibiades

2007-10-14 04:45:43 UTC

Friends, in my original message, I very consciously included three

words: "the," "single," and "best." This was meant as a triple

reinforcement of the fact that I'm asking not for a list of exercises,

each of which is among the best, but for that one exercise which is

the best - in your opinion, of course. Andrew understood this

perfectly. Please use his answer as a model of yours. Thanks.

words: "the," "single," and "best." This was meant as a triple

reinforcement of the fact that I'm asking not for a list of exercises,

each of which is among the best, but for that one exercise which is

the best - in your opinion, of course. Andrew understood this

perfectly. Please use his answer as a model of yours. Thanks.

C***@hotmail.com

2007-10-14 13:43:01 UTC

Friends, in my original message, I very consciously included three

words: "the," "single," and "best." This was meant as a triple

reinforcement of the fact that I'm asking not for a list of exercises,

each of which is among the best, but for that one exercise which is

the best - in your opinion,<

this opportunity to say ________________ _______________________

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___________________________________________ ________________________

_______________________________

Which explains why the above post didn't quite have the ring of

______________ . ____________________ _______ _________

_________________________ ________________________________________

sonority and vibrancy when___

______________________ ________________________________

__________________________ ________________ __

________________________________ _________________________________

_________________________________

presence, color, ravishing tone,__________ depth of timbre and

"snap". _______ . __________ otherwise dull, lifeless ameturish

plucking and gnashing of strings.

I hope this helps,

Che'

Tashi

2007-10-14 15:41:35 UTC

Friends, in my original message, I very consciously included three

words: "the," "single," and "best." This was meant as a triple

reinforcement of the fact that I'm asking not for a list of exercises,

each of which is among the best, but for that one exercise which is

the best - in your opinion,<

this opportunity to say ________________ _______________________

____________________ ______________________ _____________ ___________

________

___________________________________________ ________________________

_______________________________

Which explains why the above post didn't quite have the ring of

______________ . ____________________ _______ _________

_________________________ ________________________________________

sonority and vibrancy when___

______________________ ________________________________

__________________________ ________________ __

________________________________ _________________________________

_________________________________

presence, color, ravishing tone,__________ depth of timbre and

"snap". _______ . __________ otherwise dull, lifeless ameturish

plucking and gnashing of strings.

I hope this helps,

Che'

MT

David Raleigh Arnold

2007-10-14 10:19:41 UTC

What's the single best exercise

for the rh, the one with the widest

possible benefits?

checked and Wollybird beat me to the punch for this one!)

Now if you are speaking about a study ... it difficult to pin point

one an only study that would cover the entire spectrum of RH

techniques. I have found that Sor study # 2 (Segovia) is excellent for

placement and balance of RH.

M. Giluiani Opus 83 #1-excellent too for both hands and moreover, a good

exercise for memorization. if you want to go the virtuoso way ...

Tarrega's Estudio Brillante is excellent ... Sagreras El colibri too,

Pujol el abejo (P imi)

for not including it.

You should mention that one of the publishers moved the Tarantella to

the end, and in that edition it is #22. This one is without doubt

next to HVL #1. Early in his career, Segovia used to play it BTW.

Needless to say, Jackson didn't understand that there was a

contradiction in his question, so he accuses you of not understanding

it, when instead you disagree with it. Surprise surprise. daveA

--

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solos, duets, exercises. http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html

Free download of technical exercises worth a lifetime of practice:

http://www.openguitar.com/dynamic.html :::: You can play the cards

you're dealt, or improve your hand with DGT. Original easy guitar

solos, duets, exercises. http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html

Wollybird

2007-10-14 13:25:47 UTC

What's the single best exercise

for the rh, the one with the widest

possible benefits?

checked and Wollybird beat me to the punch for this one!)

C***@hotmail.com

2007-10-14 13:53:34 UTC

My "Broom" etude is much much more helpful than the Pujol. Shame on you

for not including it.<

you.

Che'

Andrew Schulman

2007-10-14 15:48:08 UTC

You should mention that one of the publishers moved the Tarantella to

the end, and in that edition it is #22. This one is without doubt

next to HVL #1. Early in his career, Segovia used to play it BTW.

also. I say probably with both because I haven't spent more then a

moment while looking at this thread thinking about the choices, but V-

L #1 and Coste #22 do leap out as great choices.

Andrew

Matanya Ophee

2007-10-14 16:29:28 UTC

Yes, the Coste #22 is a great RH study, I'd probably say that's next

also. I say probably with both because I haven't spent more then a

moment while looking at this thread thinking about the choices, but V-

L #1 and Coste #22 do leap out as great choices.

for V-L # 1. Not published but I am sure Terry, who used to post here,

will be happy to share it with you. By the time you went through the

first couple of hundred of these, it will be time to go to bed.

Matanya Ophee

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Columbus, OH 43235-1226

614-846-9517

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Larry Deack

2007-10-14 16:41:26 UTC

Without question, the best choice is

Terry Gaschen's 720 RH formulas for V-L # 1.

Matanya Ophee

2007-10-14 16:51:52 UTC

Without question, the best choice is

Terry Gaschen's 720 RH formulas for V-L # 1.

strings and four fingers.

Add one more string and one more finger and see how far this can go...

Matanya Ophee

Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,

1240 Clubview Blvd. N.

Columbus, OH 43235-1226

614-846-9517

fax: 614-846-9794

http://www.editionsorphee.com

http://matanya.livejournal.com

Larry Deack

2007-10-14 18:03:34 UTC

I guess this is the limit imposed

by the mathematics involving six

strings and four fingers.

the constraints. 6 strings and 4 fingers are just such assumptions but

to further complicate this there are entire classes of fingerings that

must not be used to get to 720. 120 is just as arbitrary and both seem

to point to the fallacy of trying to "define" a set of combinations by

creating lists.

I have no idea why one would publish a set of combinations in the

first place since any mathematical set could easily be given as in this

thread with simple symbols and no need for a printed score.

Wollybird

2007-10-14 19:14:43 UTC

I guess this is the limit imposed

by the mathematics involving six

strings and four fingers.

the constraints. 6 strings and 4 fingers are just such assumptions but

to further complicate this there are entire classes of fingerings that

must not be used to get to 720. 120 is just as arbitrary and both seem

to point to the fallacy of trying to "define" a set of combinations by

creating lists.

I have no idea why one would publish a set of combinations in the

first place since any mathematical set could easily be given as in this

thread with simple symbols and no need for a printed score.

Larry Deack

2007-10-14 19:55:01 UTC

6!x4!

Hey wollybuddy! You are as least playing in the right sand box butthe numbers still don't add up, do they?

It would be nice to get some idea of the constraints that CG

pedagogues use to limit the number of things one needs to study. Is it

120 or 720 or 12 "secret" steps? How do people come up with these silly

numbers?

If you continue down this path the number of hours spent to play ALL

combinations would be quite a bit more than most people seem to realize.

It adds up real fast when you apply it to scales, chords and other

patterns in music that can be transformed an almost infinite number of ways.

Anyway, it seems a waste of time to study much outside the music

itself unless you know exactly what you are trying to accomplish. I've

seen some very weird repetitious stuff people do and try to justify as

"rigor" when in fact they are just feeling their way along and not

really defining what "combinations" of fingerings makes sense to study.

You can't avoid the math here but perhaps it can be used to refine our

study of fingerings we need to play the music we love.

Wollybird

2007-10-14 22:01:11 UTC

6!x4!

Hey wollybuddy! You are as least playing in the right sand box butthe numbers still don't add up, do they?

It would be nice to get some idea of the constraints that CG

pedagogues use to limit the number of things one needs to study. Is it

120 or 720 or 12 "secret" steps? How do people come up with these silly

numbers?

If you continue down this path the number of hours spent to play ALL

combinations would be quite a bit more than most people seem to realize.

It adds up real fast when you apply it to scales, chords and other

patterns in music that can be transformed an almost infinite number of ways.

Anyway, it seems a waste of time to study much outside the music

itself unless you know exactly what you are trying to accomplish. I've

seen some very weird repetitious stuff people do and try to justify as

"rigor" when in fact they are just f